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Suffering doesn’t end with suicide

A holiday weekend just passed.

Two of my friends didn’t celebrate with me.

I can’t even begin to speculate what was going through their minds in those final moments before they took their own lives, all I can do is tell you how it affected me. You should thank God everyday if you’ve never had someone close to you commit suicide. It turned my world upside down and made me question everything. A little piece of me died with each of them.

I know a lot of people who have attempted suicide; a few that even came close.  So when I got word that Brad, one of the Marines at my MOS (military occupational specialty) school had tried to kill himself, it wasn’t completely shocking to me. However, the follow morning I found out the real outcome: Brad was dead.

Students weren’t allowed to tell anyone about the death for two days. We just had to go to school and pretend everything was okay… it didn’t work. Marines would go from seeming to be okay to breaking out in tears in seconds. The detachment leadership brought in chaplains and a counselor for us to talk to. I didn’t talk to any of them. I wanted to talk to my family, my friends, not some Chaplain who will tell me the Lord works in mysterious ways, or a civilian who talks about suicide for a living. Who were they to try to talk to me about somebody they never met?

I decided to deal with this on my own. Time heals all wounds – right?

It’s a little harder to write about the second Marine.

Lucas was my roommate at MOS School, and one of my best friends. I was working 18 hour days in Boston for Marine Week when I got the news of his death. I didn’t have time to think about it. I would find myself tearing up from time to time, but I didn’t get a chance to mourn.

When I got back to Washington, it all hit me at once. I cried in public for the first time in over a decade. I had a complete nervous breakdown.

I know I can’t blame myself for his death, but part of me does anyway. Thoughts still creep into my head, maybe this wouldn’t have happened if I was there, if he just had someone to be there for him. I shouldn’t think this way, but sometimes I just can’t help it.

So far this year, 28 Marines have committed suicide.

I personally knew two of them.

One was one of my best friends.

I’ll never get over it.

Reach out, talk with your friends and fellow Marines, seek help, join a support group for suicide survivors, and remember those who care about you.  Always faithful.

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  • Inflicted Smiles

    Although I am not a marina and neither was my brother I do know how you feel.  5 years ago my brother died from suicide.  I have been struggling to make sense of everything and live a normal life but that has been much harder than it may seem.  I just started to blog about my experience after his death.  The address is .  I wish you the best in your journey.  Stay strong.

  • mojo1017

    Such a sad story. My heart goes out to the friends and families.

    combat boots

  • Bill Kibler

    Nicholas. You are not alone. My best friend and high school classmate, we joined the Marines together. We both ended up serving in Beirut, Lebanon. I served Oct. 1982-Feb. 1983. Had I opted to take the next float back, I would have been there at the same time with Lee. Instead, I accepted my PCS orders to Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii to finish out my contract.

    Sgt. Lee Norton made Sgt. in just under 18 months. Tied the range record at Parris Island, graduated PFC. Went to ITS, came out number 1 in his class. Meritorious L/Cpl. Went to MOS training and again, graduated number 1 in his class, meritorious CPL and was given the choice do do what he wanted to do and chose to be a USMC Sniper. Again, number one in his class. As a USMC Sniper he served with 1/8 Marines and lived in the (infamous) BLT Barracks at the Beirut airport. One day while on sniper assigment, he zeroed in on his target and saw a flash, felt something warm accross his face – realizing it was blood – then he realized that his spotter, this time being his Capt. of all people, had taken the incoming round. A week later, again on sniper assignment, as he left his position which he missed the ride back to the BLT HQ/barracks, he spent the night at the American University. 0623 the next morning, October 23, 1983, he heard the explosion we all know now as the first terrorist attack against Americans killing 220 Marines, 18 Sailors, and three Soldiers. Sgt. Lee Norton realized that he had lost his entire unit.

    When he came home, he wouldn’t talk about what happened in Beirut. Period. He internalized everything. He knew I was there to listen and said that he would talk when he was ready. I gave him the space what I thought he needed. We remained in constant contact as best friends do. He went on to college to pursue computer science and one night he called telling me he would be coming back to VA to his mothers and wanted to meet with me as he needed to talk in person. I gave up my plans and drove the 4 hours for the weekend retreat. That weekend he asked me to be his best man, as he was going back to college to propose to this girl he met at college he had fallen in love with. Duh, I drove 4 hours, gave up my plans when he already knew the answer. Of corse, it would be my honor to be his best man. It was a fun, relaxing weekend, I was glad I gave up my plans and made the trip down to see him. I was glad to finally see him happy again. We had our share of laughs and heart to heart talks. It would be the last time Lee and I saw each other. The following Friday night, I got the call I will never forget. It was from his Aunt, asking me if I was alone or were any friends/family with me. The last thing I remember her telling me that “Lee was no longer with us.” She went on to say that Lee was found hanging in his dorm room by his roommates after a failed marriage proposal. I made sure he was buried with full military honors. It was my duty.

    Next week, Sept. 28 (1988), will mark the anniversary of his death. Each year I take the morning off and I go to Quantico National Cemetery and visit with him.

    If you ever want to talk just drop me an email. and I’ll give you my cell number. I now work for the American Psychological Association (no, not a PhD.. but in their internet dept) and when asked, assist Beirut Veterans with their struggles with PTSD and depression and give them the resources they need to seek assistance.

    Semper Fidelis

    Bill Kibler
    USMC Beirut Veteran

  • Bobbi

    I would say as a mother of Marine CPL who took his life this past year that the ones that love you most will suffer unbearable pain. It is a lie (demon) to say your life doesn’t matter or there is anything you have done or need to face that will ever make those that love you stop, even if you don’t feel like it. For family, I would say learn all you can about PTSD, my son’s took 18 months to bring him down. If there is alcohol involved, it is lethal! Intervene, no matter how mad they get and don’t waste time! I encouraged couseling but he didn’t have time. And don’t listen to counselors that tell you it will be ok, or anybody that tells you not to take it seriously, they are an adult, and don’t leave them alone! And Marines, don’t keep a gun around when you get back to the states, you don’t need it! Let someone keep it for if you want one so that you only have access to it in the day and are not drinking. Best, do not drink at all! PRAY but get human help. This is medical and needs a Doctor!

  • Dave

    Two days before my 16th birthday, my mother called it quits. Yep, I got to find her body. I’d say it had a profound effect on me (understatement) – the next 10 years were a loss. This February will be 30 years and the scars are still there.
    Lance Cpl, I am sorry for your loss! But please DO NOT let it stop you from your goals. That will only hurt you. Please realize there was nothing you could’ve done to prevent it, there was nothing you did to cause it. Remember the good, let the rest go. Time may not heal, but it does soften the pain. As for the scars… I don’t know what to tell you there, other than carry on. It does tend to make the other trials in your life seem easy by comparison.

  • Nick Neighbors

    I just want to say thank you to everyone who commented on my experience. I’m moved by all of your words. And to all those who have experienced what I have, or even worse tragedies, I am deeply sorry for your losses. Once again, thank you, I can not say it enough.

  • Chaplain Tanis

    Peace be with you, Nicholas, and with the families of the dear friends that you lost to suicide.
    I pray that you will be able to talk to someone about your grief (maybe even a chaplain, and one who will NOT simply tell you that “God works in mysterious ways”) As a chaplain of Marines, I feel like “family” to all Marines and especially so to one who is suffering a terrible loss such as yours. May you reach out and receive the help that is offered… and in turn you may be better able to help someone else who is a survivor, or someone who may be in that “dark” place themselves. May God be with you my Marine… S/F, yes… Always!

  • Marine Mom

    As a Marine mom, I feel so much compassion for you and I have so many concerns. I have been hearing about Marine suicides and I would like more information. What is it that is breaking these young people? Suicide is so extreme. Forgive me if I sound so uninformed. I would like to hear from those who know.

  • Christine

    I feel your angst. I am in love with and live with a Marine who attempted suicide twice last year. Luckily for me he did not succeed. He goes to therapy once a week and has slowly made some progress. Not a day goes by that I dont wonder if one day he will succeed. And not a minute goes by when I wonder how dark the place was that he was in, and wish that there was something I could have done to prevent him from being in that terrible place. But there is nothing I could do. I can only be supportive for him now and not beet myself up for not doing more. RIP to the friends whom you have lost. Stay strong. Semper Fi.

  • Philip

    I cannot know what it is to suffer as you have, nor can I find words to ease your pain, but please know that you are in my prayers.

  • Jeanine Bankston Hudgins

    I am so very sorry for your loss. They were in too much pain, that very few, if any on “the outside” of that pain can understand. It was not meant to hurt anyone, and quite possible they were unaware it would cause others’ pain if their lives ceased to exist…and quite possible they thought “everyone else will be better off without me”. Believe me when I say….no one wants to go there.

    Know that they loved all of you…and if 20/20 is hindsight…the trigger would have never been pulled to end that life.

    God’s grace & mercy be with you.

    And above everything…THANK YOU for the personal sacrifice you make on behalf of freedom everywhere, for the United States of America, for my community, my friends, my family, and those that came before us & after us. YOU ARE THE USA. My love to you all…Jeanine Hudgins

  • Wendy

    I’m sorry about your friends who died by suicide.
    They didn’t have to die. It could have been prevented.
    I lost my son to suicide – he was 20 years old.
    Not old enough to even know what life was about!
    No, I will never get over it either.
    Thanks for writing about suicide and how the pain never ends.

    Http://caleb-joseph-mcintosh.memory-of.com

  • Joyce

    Thanks for writing this. It really makes you think. Semper Fi.

  • Michelle

    I’m so sorry for your loss.

  • Manuel Vigil

    This is a tragic occurence . I have son that is a former LCP , also in need of support . I pray for him everyday , to turn his life around .

  • Lisa Dijkman. Cpl

    My heart and sole go to you and their families. Semper Fi

  • Devyn

    May a year ago my soon to be sister-in-law’s step dad killed himself. He had basically raised her since she was four. This was the first time anyone I knew personally committed suicide and I didn’t know how to help her. I knew she was hurting so badly but I couldn’t even begin to understand. This last year has been really hard for her and for the most part I haven’t been able to help her. While the suffering may end for the person that commits suicide it only begins for the ones that love them.

  • Deborah

    If you think it was hard on you, a friend, imagine the impact on family. I have a couple of decades to deal with the loss of my loved one, and it still can, without any warning, drop me to my knees.

  • Oni Hall

    I just wanna say that i Love Marines and i wanna be one after high school and this is one of the reasons why i wanna join the Corps because i figure if i go to war one less Marine will have to suffer the Horrors of it